{"id":148683,"date":"2026-08-06T22:59:07","date_gmt":"2026-08-07T02:59:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/blog\/?p=148683"},"modified":"2026-08-07T09:44:21","modified_gmt":"2026-08-07T13:44:21","slug":"episode-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/blog\/sos-podcast\/episode-8\/","title":{"rendered":"Getting Dressed for What Comes Next with Tamara Mitchell | Styled, Off Script Ep. 8"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>A layoff can change much more than where you spend your workday. It can disrupt your routine, confidence, sense of purpose, and even the version of yourself you are accustomed to seeing in the mirror. And navigating personal style after a layoff can raise an unexpectedly personal question: who are you getting dressed for when the routine around you disappears?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/iamtamaramitchell\"><strong>Tamara Mitchell<\/strong><\/a>, navigating personal style after a career change meant confronting a particularly strange question: What happens to a wardrobe built to be seen when you suddenly have nowhere you are required to go?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tamara had spent years wearing expressive colors, prints, crop tops, and conversation-starting pieces. Her clothing was not separate from her personality\u2014it was one of the ways she made herself known. After being laid off, the challenge was not simply deciding what to wear. It was learning how to remain connected to that visible, playful part of herself while the structure around her changed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw\"><strong>Episode 8 of <em>Styled, Off Script<\/em>,<\/strong><\/a> Tamara joins Marge, Liz, and Maloree to talk about living in the unresolved middle: exploring a career in styling, creating fashion content, raising two teenagers, and discovering what comes next without pretending she has already arrived.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cRight now, getting dressed gives me hope because it\u2019s the one thing I can control in my day.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Getting Dressed for What Comes Next with Tamara Mitchell\" style=\"border-radius: 12px; min-height: 9.5rem\" width=\"100%\" height=\"100%\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw&amp;utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Listen to Episode 8 of <strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw\">Styled, Off Script<\/a><\/em><\/strong> to hear Tamara\u2019s full conversation with Marge, Liz, and Maloree about career transitions, creative identity, breaking fashion rules, and the surprisingly powerful role getting dressed can play when life feels beyond your control.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Personal Style When Your Everyday Life Changes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Before her layoff, Tamara\u2019s clothing had a built-in audience. She worked in a creative environment and deliberately chose pieces that attracted attention, sparked conversation, and pushed against narrow ideas of what a manager\u2014or a plus-size woman\u2014was expected to wear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When that daily routine disappeared, her love of expressive clothing did not disappear with it. What changed was the context.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Without a workplace to dress for each morning, Tamara had to decide whether style still mattered when no one was expecting her to show up. Her answer became a recurring content series called \u201cFit Friday,\u201d where she throws fits to keep from throwing tantrums.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The series gave her a reason to return to her closet, experiment with statement pieces, and create something during a period when so much felt outside her control. Getting dressed did not solve the uncertainty of unemployment, but it gave her a tangible way to participate in her own life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">You Are More Than the Role You Used to Play<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Career changes often force us to confront how much of our identity has become attached to a title, schedule, or professional environment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Even when a job was no longer fulfilling, it may have provided structure. It told us when to wake up, where to go, how to spend our time, and sometimes how to present ourselves. When that structure is removed, the freedom that follows can feel less like immediate possibility and more like disorientation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tamara\u2019s story resists the pressure to turn that disorientation into a tidy reinvention narrative. She is not looking back from the finish line. She is exploring styling, building her online presence, and learning what she genuinely enjoys while still dealing honestly with the financial and emotional reality of a layoff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That unfinishedness is precisely what makes the conversation meaningful. Self-discovery does not always happen after the difficult part is over. Sometimes it happens while you are still living through it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Authenticity Is Not the Reward at the End<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>While discussing the challenge of creating content, Tamara offers one of the episode\u2019s clearest insights:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns are-vertically-aligned-center is-not-stacked-on-mobile is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-1 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cYour truest authentic self is what people come back for.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1440\" height=\"1441\" data-pin-url=\"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/blog\/sos-podcast\/episode-8\/?tp_image_id=148691\" src=\"https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited.jpg\" alt=\"Tamara Mitchell wearing striped wide-leg trousers, a cropped white button-down shirt and black boots.\" class=\"wp-image-148691\" style=\"width:333px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited.jpg 1440w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited-700x700.jpg 700w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited-768x769.jpg 768w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/3487-scaled-edited-873x874.jpg 873w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1440px) 100vw, 1440px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>It is tempting to treat authenticity as something we can access once we feel more confident, more successful, or more certain. Tamara\u2019s experience suggests the opposite. Authenticity is not the polished result of having everything figured out. It is what allows other people\u2014and perhaps more importantly, you\u2014to recognize who is still there during a period of change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For Tamara, that means continuing to wear crop tops, dramatic prints, flowing dresses, wide-leg pants, and the pieces that feel expressive enough to be seen. She is not dressing to prove that the setback did not affect her. She is dressing as an honest reminder that uncertainty has not erased her.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Advice for Navigating the In-Between<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Rather than presenting a traditional SOS in this episode, we asked Tamara what she would tell someone standing where she had been nine or ten months earlier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her first piece of advice was practical: invest more time in the work you genuinely care about before you are forced to depend on it. Tamara had wanted to explore styling for years, but work gave her an understandable reason to keep postponing it. After the layoff, she found herself facing both the freedom and the pressure to finally begin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That does not mean every interest needs to become an immediate source of income. It means paying attention to the ideas that continue to return\u2014and giving yourself a chance to build confidence, skills, and momentum before you have a finished plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tamara also spoke about trying not to take the layoff personally. That remains complicated, particularly when an organization you gave years of your life to appears to move forward without you. But she has begun separating the end of the job from her own value.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As Tamara put it, what is meant for her is for her. The role was not meant to remain hers forever, even if she might not have chosen to leave on her own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her advice is not to rush through the grief or pretend the financial reality is easy. It is to begin making room for what you care about while acknowledging that an ending can be painful and still create movement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cWhat did I care for? And how could I lean more into that?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Statement Pieces as a Place to Play<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the things Tamara is making more room for is play.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her closet is filled with statement pieces, and she describes putting them together as a creative puzzle. Everything she buys brings her joy; the fun comes from discovering how a dramatic print, flowing silhouette, crop top, or bold color can become part of an outfit that feels entirely her own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That approach inspired <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/themed-style-boxes\/the-made-you-look-box\">The Made You Look Box<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Straight from the latest <em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw\">Styled, Off Script<\/a><\/strong><\/em>, the box is built around pieces that make people look twice: bold color, expressive prints, conversation-starting silhouettes, and easy basics that help everything feel wearable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-not-stacked-on-mobile is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-2 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:33.33%\">\n<p>The five pieces are not meant to create one perfectly matched outfit. Think of them as new possibilities for your closet\u2014a statement maker to build around, a familiar basic that gives it somewhere to land, or the piece that makes an everyday outfit feel a little more like you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because sometimes the most exciting clothes are not the ones that quietly disappear into your wardrobe. They are the ones that give you something to play with.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:66.66%\"><div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/themed-style-boxes\/the-made-you-look-box\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"700\" height=\"700\" data-pin-url=\"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/blog\/sos-podcast\/episode-8\/?tp_image_id=148711\" src=\"https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-700x700.jpg\" alt=\"Statement-style outfit ideas including zebra print pants, denim, a red top, moto jacket and gold handbag.\" class=\"wp-image-148711\" style=\"width:545px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-700x700.jpg 700w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box-874x874.jpg 874w, https:\/\/d3mnyo7e05c2kb.cloudfront.net\/blog-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/The-Made-You-Look-Box.jpg 1254w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Tamara\u2019s story reminds us that moving forward does not always begin with a complete reinvention. Sometimes it begins by returning to what brings you joy\u2014and allowing yourself to take it seriously.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Got a style dilemma?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019re taking real SOS submissions for future episodes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whether you\u2019re:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>packing for a trip<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>stuck in a style rut<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>navigating a wardrobe change<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>or just not sure what to wear<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/forms\/d\/e\/1FAIpQLSeH_EiPgGlRYHnA6k4vHO_--QVljCeIj0-jFjrK-g_CSfZxAw\/viewform?usp=header\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Submit your own SOS request<\/strong><\/a> and we may feature it on the show!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Follow Tamara Mitchell<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Tamara is a fashion and style creator building a styling practice rooted in expressive, authentic personal style. Follow her evolving journey, outfit inspiration, and \u201cFit Friday\u201d series online:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Website: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iamtamaramitchell.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>iamtamaramitchell.com<\/strong><\/a><br>Instagram: <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/iamtamaramitchell\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@iamtamaramitchell<\/a><\/strong><br>TikTok: <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tiktok.com\/@iamtamaramitchell\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">@iamtamaramitchell<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-dots\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw\"><em><strong>Styled, Off Script<\/strong><\/em>,<\/a> is a podcast about personal style, fashion, and the real relationship we have with our clothes\u2014and how it evolves alongside who we are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<p>Powered by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dia.com\/\">Dia &amp; Co<\/a>, each episode features candid conversations exploring style, identity, self-expression, and the real-life moments that shape how we get dressed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also available on <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/46T7PvulaxMOSztIAPNQ1J?si=WMFqf7ilTRCrNA0lcAl8JQ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/styled-off-script\/id1896665863\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.iheart.com\/podcast\/269-styled-off-script-333749139\/\">iHeart<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/music.amazon.com\/podcasts\/a93632c3-4373-48bb-9435-61c1e3fc046c\/styled-off-script\">Amazon<\/a>, or to read the full transcript, keep scrolling.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Listen to the Conversation\u2014or Read the Full Transcript<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Hear Tamara\u2019s full conversation with Marge, Liz and Maloree on <strong><em><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/05cFIjurp1jBJ5rr9oYSmL?si=zs8iW511RqmwMAPsG6YWTw\">Styled, Off Script<\/a><\/em>,<\/strong> or keep reading for the complete Episode 8 transcript.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<details class=\"wp-block-details is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary><strong>Click for Full Episode 8 Transcript.<\/strong><\/summary>\n<details class=\"wp-block-details has-white-background-color has-background is-layout-flow wp-block-details-is-layout-flow\"><summary><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Okay, welcome back to another episode of Styled, Off Script.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;Marge, one of your co-hosts, joined by Liz and Maloree. And we have a guest on this week&#8217;s episode.&nbsp;We&#8217;re&nbsp;joined by Tamara.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Hello!&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Hello!&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Whooop!&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Hey!&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>This is awesome. This is awesome. When we first\u2014or when I first&nbsp;sort of pitched&nbsp;this idea to Liz about starting a podcast, I was like,&nbsp;we&#8217;ll&nbsp;have guests.&nbsp;We&#8217;ll&nbsp;definitely have&nbsp;guests. And then we started it, and&nbsp;we&#8217;re&nbsp;like, will we have\u2014like, how do we\u2014what happens? Okay, now we actually have to, like, figure out who we&#8217;re&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;have as guests. And very funny enough, right after\u2014I think it&nbsp;was even the very first episode.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>So from day one, Tamara&#8217;s a day-one Styled, Off Script listener. Tamara reached out to me on LinkedIn and said, \u201cI listened to your podcast. I would love to get to know you. I love style, personal styling, and any chance you want to meet and connect, and\u2014and&nbsp;we&#8217;ll&nbsp;take it from there.\u201d And we met shortly thereafter. And&nbsp;I think quickly we&nbsp;said, \u201cWell, this should just be an episode of the podcast.\u201d&nbsp;And that&#8217;s\u2014that&#8217;s&nbsp;where we are today. So, Tamara,&nbsp;we&#8217;re&nbsp;so excited to have you.&nbsp;Thanks&nbsp;for coming.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Thank you for having me.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;so excited.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Woo-hoo. So why don&#8217;t you tell us a little bit about you? What\u2014what&nbsp;maybe brought&nbsp;you to Styled, Off Script? Like, what popped up on your feed that you were like, \u201cHey, wait a minute, that sounds interesting\u201d? Or&nbsp;I believe you&nbsp;were a Dia customer before, or had, like, followed us on&nbsp;social, maybe.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, I have&nbsp;definitely been&nbsp;a Dia customer for a&nbsp;really long&nbsp;time, especially when I first started my full-time work career. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&#8217;ve definitely been a Dia &amp; Co. customer. But then also, what interests me about the podcast was that this\u2014this idea of this SOS, and, like, how much fashion and style&nbsp;actually plays&nbsp;into my personal day-to-day, and just kind of, like, having conversations around it. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I was just really excited to\u2014to see how I could lean into that a little bit more.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, absolutely. I would love to hear\u2014so I think&nbsp;a great way&nbsp;to start this off is, I think we would all love to hear how you describe your own personal style, and has that evolved over time? And if so, what are some\u2014maybe some&nbsp;highlights of that\u2014of that journey?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, so I have&nbsp;been now&nbsp;unemployed for about nine or ten months, and I\u2014I was very adamant on having a type of style that called for attention.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I was intentionally wearing things that were conversation starters. And\u2014and so when I got laid off,&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;no place for me to go, in a way. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;trying to figure out how to continue to be that outspoken person with\u2014with my style, but also, like, making it make sense. But\u2014but&nbsp;yeah, because I am also\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;a single mom of two\u2014of teenagers. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;weaving in all of these different things that are me in my personal style. I feel like I lost the question along the way, but\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>No, you\u2014you got it. You got it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>But\u2014but what was the original question? I feel like I thought\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Like how\u2014how your&nbsp;style\u2014you\u2014you spoke to it at the beginning, like the conversational pieces. And actually, that made me think that there is, like, a pattern definition called conversational prints, or, like, fun ditsy patterns\u2014patterns that have, like, more of a recognizable shape, or, like, dogs or cats or fish or, like, whatever\u2014called conversational prints that are, like, specifically made to draw people&#8217;s attention in to start conversations about.&nbsp;So&nbsp;you talked about wearing those conversational pieces, and then when you got laid off, not really having a place to be able to wear those things or have that style expressed in the same way.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, definitely. Because I\u2014I loved wearing things that were, like, flowy and structured at the same time, and things that\u2014things that were smart casual, right?&nbsp;&#8216;Cause, like, I\u2014I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;want to wear business casual. You&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;put me in a uniform. To give me a dress code is&nbsp;wild, because&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;not going to listen. I&nbsp;couldn&#8217;t&nbsp;do a job where it required me to wear a uniform. I have done jobs that&nbsp;required&nbsp;me to wear a uniform, but at 40, try again.&nbsp;But\u2014but the job, I at least was able to wear whatever I wanted to, and I definitely pushed those boundaries as often as I could.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Hard.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>It was&nbsp;actually funny. My boss, in a performance evaluation, had said\u2014it was, like, something&nbsp;along the lines of, \u201cI need you to dress more professional because\u2014because you&#8217;re a&nbsp;manager.\u201d And when she said it, I was like, \u201cHmm, interesting,\u201d because I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;think&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;wearing anything&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;not professional. But I was also pushing the envelope a lot.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Right.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Like, I am the type of big girl who loves showing off my legs. I love showing off my arms.&nbsp;There&#8217;s&nbsp;no part of my body that I have any issues showing. I love&nbsp;a crop top, so&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;show my belly. And so those were things that\u2014I was working at a non\u2014a small nonprofit where&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;a staff of six, and&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;an art institution, so there was\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, you would think creative.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, and there\u2014there&nbsp;was&nbsp;no real rules around what you could wear.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I pushed that envelope as much as I&nbsp;possibly could, and I enjoyed it a lot.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Love that. Well, fashion is, like, truly an act of art and expression. You would think\u2014my logical mind goes, well, in an art environment, wouldn&#8217;t&nbsp;you want your leaders to reflect creativity and, like, express that level of understanding and an ability to be creative in all the ways of\u2014of art expression?&nbsp;But,&nbsp;you know.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Tamara,&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;making me think about\u2014I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;know if this is true to your story, but, like, I had to wear a uniform in junior high. And I feel like&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;still rebelling against that in,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;getting dressed every day. Just the idea that I had to\u2014like, I was forced to\u2014to wear something. This was so long ago, but I was forced to wear something that, like, I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;want to be wearing, where I had&nbsp;very little&nbsp;room for self-expression. And now, 35 years later,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;still, like, trying to remove that uniform from my psyche and, like, live in the \u201cI can wear whatever I want.&nbsp;Don&#8217;t&nbsp;stop\u2014don&#8217;t&nbsp;try to stop me,\u201d like, attitude. And right&nbsp;now&nbsp;that&#8217;s, like, a very casual expression, but I think it can come out in, like, lots of different&nbsp;sort&nbsp;of fun, spicy, creative ways.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>For sure.&nbsp;Yeah. I mean,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;helpful when&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;a kid to wear uniforms because you got&nbsp;bullying&nbsp;and you got, like\u2014there&#8217;s\u2014there&#8217;s things that come along with it, and&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;also&nbsp;very helpful&nbsp;on the parents. But as an adult, no, I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;want to.&nbsp;I want to wear what I want to wear, and I want to have fun with it, because style should be fun.&nbsp;Getting dressed should be fun.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;like playing dress-up every single day, and that is beautiful.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Money.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Especially, too, I think, as\u2014as folks who haven&#8217;t had all the options that everybody else has had in terms of\u2014of clothing, as\u2014as someone who&#8217;s plus, like, there were so&nbsp;many years in my child\u2014like, late childhood,&nbsp;teenhood, early adulthood, when the idea of\u2014of playing dress-up or having clothes\u2014even uniforms didn&#8217;t fit. My mom actually just reminded me of this\u2014this, like, volunteer day that we did at a golf course near\u2014near&nbsp;us. And, like, neither of us golfed, but we, like, went for the vibes or whatever. And the uniforms that they gave us were, like, we had to wear khaki pants, and then they gave us a polo shirt. Well, the polo shirt that&nbsp;they gave both my mom and I&nbsp;was&nbsp;maybe a&nbsp;size large. Did not fit either of us. Was, like, skin-tight, sausage\u2014like, it was awful. And we felt so uncomfortable the whole time that, like, it just\u2014in that moment, it was like, \u201cMy God, like, every part of this is wrong. If I could have just worn the shirt that I have in my bag, I promise&nbsp;I&#8217;ll&nbsp;do a better job.\u201d&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>But that, like, constraint, when you don&#8217;t have all of the options, when you have to wear what somebody else is telling you to wear, it&#8217;s like it just sort of weighs on you, that then when you finally have more options to play with, you&#8217;re like, \u201cOkay, this is fun. This is enjoyable. I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;ever want to go back to that world.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;create my own fun\u2014fun style.\u201d And\u2014and, Tamara, one follow-up: Were you always this stylish? Was this always sort of the\u2014the go-to for you? Was&nbsp;style&nbsp;something that you loved to play with, or was that something that was learned over\u2014over time?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Definitely learned over time.&nbsp;In high school, I went through, like, my punk phase. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I literally&nbsp;was wearing&nbsp;black every day.&nbsp;Only&nbsp;wore jeans. Only wore, like, a big black, like, oversized sweatshirt or jacket. The idea of wearing a dress or a skirt or shorts\u2014forbid\u2014was not even on\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Hell&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Ha&nbsp;ha.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014anything I ever thought of. And so\u2014so now, when you look at my wardrobe, I limit\u2014I will not put black in my wardrobe. I will intentionally avoid black at all costs. There is&nbsp;black&nbsp;in my closet.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;not&nbsp;gonna\u2014black still has its place. But\u2014but&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;very\u2014my wardrobe is now very colorful. I prefer to wear dresses. I prefer to wear skirts. I prefer to wear shorts. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;there&#8217;s definitely been\u2014a huge change. And I think growing up on, like, Project Runway, even though they have not\u2014the whole entire time\u2014have not been kind to plus-size people. The&nbsp;amount&nbsp;of times they did,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;a real-world&nbsp;episode&nbsp;and the contestants would be so mad that they had to dress a real-size person. But I loved\u2014I loved watching Project Runway and fashion shows, but I never thought of my own personal style or fashion being something that was even in the realm of what I could do. But&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;always been interested in&nbsp;it, because&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;also a very problem-focused person. So,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;when I see a problem, I want to create&nbsp;the&nbsp;solution. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;whenever I went shopping for clothes in-store, which, you know, now is very complicated as a plus-size person, when I would go shopping in a store and I would see that things aren&#8217;t fitting or things were just not cute or whatever, like, me wanting to say, \u201cOkay, well, I can design clothes.\u201d I have not gotten that far.&nbsp;I decided instead, let me style people first, figure out what people need and, like, you know, where the gaps are, and then actually design clothes.&nbsp;And so that&#8217;s&nbsp;kind of where&nbsp;I&#8217;m at&nbsp;now. But&nbsp;in regards to&nbsp;developing my own style\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Following people who look like me, seeing how they style themselves, playing with\u2014just playing with clothes and just, like, playing dress-up as often as I could, and just trying to always push the envelope and just play. Like,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;a\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;a fun puzzle&nbsp;to&nbsp;me to go in my closet and, like, pull pieces, because a lot of my closet are statement pieces. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;trying to figure out how to style statement pieces\u2014is a\u2014is a fun puzzle in itself.&nbsp;So&nbsp;everything&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;purchased&nbsp;brings me joy. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;then trying to figure out how to play with them in a way that makes sense to me is just basically how&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;developed my own personal style. But just\u2014just having&nbsp;fun with&nbsp;just pushing the envelope. Like, I\u2014I\u2014I think&nbsp;literally that&#8217;s&nbsp;the way. Like, I like to consider myself a rebel in that sense, because, like, I&nbsp;won&#8217;t&nbsp;wear black because it&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s, you know, air quote, \u201cslimming,\u201d and I&nbsp;won&#8217;t&nbsp;wear\u2014like, there&#8217;s\u2014there&#8217;s rules I intentionally try to break all the time. Like,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;going to wear horizontal&nbsp;stripes&nbsp;and&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;going to, you know, like, all the different rules, and&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;going to try to break them every time, because&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;just\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;a rebel.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;a rebel in that way.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>I love that. We\u2014we had a great episode about the\u2014about breaking rules. And I think finding ways, even if&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;just, like, a rule that you know that&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;breaking,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;kind of like&nbsp;the\u2014we spoke about the power of a leather jacket.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;sort of that, like, little, like, nod to being your own kind of badass that, like,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;for yourself. Like, it helps sort of fuel\u2014like, fuel your own sort of who you are and say, like, \u201cNo. Like,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;do it.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;wear\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;wear what I&nbsp;wanna&nbsp;wear.\u201d I have a side\u2014a side-quest question. You mentioned having two teenagers. Does\u2014do your children have an affinity for style or fashion? Or do they have&nbsp;an input, or, like, do they play with style and fashion with you or without, or do they care at all?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>I&#8217;m&nbsp;always curious to hear what Liz and Maloree&#8217;s kids are up to in\u2014in terms of style and\u2014and how involved they are.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;So&nbsp;my son is&nbsp;very special. He\u2014he is indeed on the spectrum, so he is very particular about what he wears. And he is\u2014he is at this phase where he only wants to wear sweatpants and T-shirts. But\u2014and&nbsp;he&#8217;s&nbsp;very particular about the fit of them and the fabric and, like, how they feel&nbsp;on&nbsp;him. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;he&#8217;s&nbsp;very particular about that.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I cannot shop for him. He&nbsp;has to&nbsp;come with me\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Fair.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014because&nbsp;he&#8217;s&nbsp;very particular.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yep.&nbsp;Fabric is&nbsp;huge. Fabric is such a huge, huge deal. And shopping online when you have sense\u2014like, when you have that to a\u2014like, another&nbsp;level,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;so, so difficult. You&nbsp;wanna&nbsp;touch and feel things, and,&nbsp;yeah, it\u2014that&#8217;s&nbsp;so important. Fabrication makes&nbsp;a huge difference.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. So&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;my son. But my daughter\u2014my daughter is\u2014is a mini-me. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;she is definitely trying to push the envelope with her own personal style. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;she\u2014she likes to do, like, leg\u2014like, furry leg warmers, and she loves to wear, like, all black, but she loves baggy and oversized. And&nbsp;&#8217;cause&nbsp;she&#8217;s\u2014she&#8217;s&nbsp;a size&nbsp;zero.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Ha&nbsp;ha&nbsp;ha.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm. Cute.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>She&#8217;s zero\u2014she&#8217;s&nbsp;size zero and&nbsp;she&#8217;s&nbsp;tall. And so\u2014so she gets to play around a little bit more than I could have done when I was her age.&nbsp;So&nbsp;she&#8217;ll, like\u2014she likes to&nbsp;play with&nbsp;black, and she loves to play with just, like, very baggy jeans. And, like, so she\u2014she&#8217;s&nbsp;very particular, and she loves anime. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;she does, like, a lot of cosplay and stuff like that. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;she just\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014and she weaves that into her style, and, like,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;So&nbsp;my daughter is a little bit&nbsp;more&nbsp;me, but she makes it her own. She&nbsp;doesn&#8217;t&nbsp;try to copy&nbsp;me, because&nbsp;I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;put my daughter in a dress.&nbsp;She&#8217;s&nbsp;very, in a&nbsp;way,&nbsp;she&#8217;s&nbsp;kind of&nbsp;andro&nbsp;in that way. Like, she&nbsp;doesn&#8217;t\u2014she does\u2014like, she&nbsp;doesn&#8217;t&nbsp;want to do the feminine, girly things that I would like for her to wear, or for me\u2014like, that I personally do.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>But she does&nbsp;definitely have&nbsp;her own personal style, and&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;really fun&nbsp;watching her play with clothes and, like, how she has fun with it. And I recently taught her\u2014like, got her into thrifting. And so\u2014so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;just&nbsp;really fun,&nbsp;&#8217;cause&nbsp;my son was like, \u201cThrifting? Like, buying clothes that other people have already worn?\u201d He was\u2014he paused. But my daughter was super excited about it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>And&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;how she got her first pair of&nbsp;Doc Martens, which she loves\u2014loves so much. And so\u2014so,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;So&nbsp;my daughter has definitely taken nods from me and, like, continues to develop her own personal style and separate from me, because, again, I cannot get her to wear a dress.&nbsp;So&nbsp;it&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;just kind of fun.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Love that.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>I think\u2014I think&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;so interesting. I also have two teenagers, and&nbsp;I think it&nbsp;is so&nbsp;interesting watching&nbsp;them walk through their own style journey. I mean, obviously we could do a whole other podcast\u2014Marge, add it to the list\u2014about this. But my two kids\u2014my older child, in particular\u2014is on&nbsp;a sort of figuring-themselves-out gender journey, and a huge part of that has to do with style. And they also have recently discovered thrifting, thanks to me. And thank goodness for thrifting, because, like, helping a teenager find out\u2014figure out&nbsp;their style is quite expensive.&nbsp;And so thrifting plays a really big role in helping\u2014making this all&nbsp;manageable.&nbsp;But, like, trying to figure out that role of parent, of, like, where to step in and sort of assert yourself and, like, give guidance, and also, like, where to just be supportive and allow them to take risks and figure out their own identity.&nbsp;It&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s a really interesting place for someone like me to be in, who, like, has such a strong opinion or point of view in terms of, like, what might work well and what maybe doesn&#8217;t work as well, and\u2014and sort of has been on a style journey of their own evolution, too, and sort of figured out what works well for them. So, I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;know. I just think being a parent to a teenager is all kinds of crazy, and fashion and style is a part of that.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Absolutely.&nbsp;Absolutely. I know, as\u2014as soon as sort of I heard Tamara talk about that, I was like, \u201cOoh, y&#8217;all can\u2014can bond over\u2014over where\u2014where to shop.\u201d And then, Mal, you can take notes for a couple of years ahead.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>The future,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Awesome. So I want to sort of take us back a little bit to maybe the origin of\u2014or something we talked about in the first conversation that we had, Tamara, was how this sort of life moment of being laid off and\u2014and this, like, moment of reset, I&#8217;ll call it, that then maybe became a catalyst for leaning further into your own style and even that maybe propelling this next chapter of your life. Curious if\u2014you&#8217;re welcome to share or say you&nbsp;don&#8217;t\u2014like, curious&nbsp;maybe how&nbsp;that&nbsp;impacted&nbsp;your day-to-day style, how that sort of&nbsp;impacts&nbsp;your day-to-day style now, and what has getting dressed felt like throughout that process?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I hated my job. I hated it with&nbsp;a passion. And\u2014but what I had&nbsp;enjoyed about&nbsp;my job was they took a chance on me to\u2014because I always had an interest for\u2014for marketing, but I&nbsp;hadn&#8217;t&nbsp;actually had&nbsp;a care\u2014like, a job in marketing. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;they gave me an opportunity to take on a marketing role, and that was\u2014that was fun. And what\u2014me and backstories. Every single time I try to give&nbsp;a backstory, I forget the question.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>I love the backstory.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Keep going. Just talk.&nbsp;You&#8217;re&nbsp;great.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Okay. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;when it came to getting laid off,&nbsp;in regards to&nbsp;getting dressed,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;still\u2014I still want to push the envelope. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I created a series that I call Fit Friday, where I throw fits to keep from throwing tantrums. And so,&nbsp;yeah. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;on episode 21, so\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Oh, my God.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Tomorrow&#8217;s episode\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Quite a bit ahead of us.&nbsp;Yeah. Nailing it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;Yeah. I\u2014so I will have my 22nd outfit coming soon.&nbsp;But literally, I&nbsp;did it out of this realizing, because Liz said earlier, we were surviving instead of thriving. Like, literally, I&nbsp;was losing my mind every single day navigating unemployment, because&nbsp;I&#8217;m\u2014I&#8217;m, again,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;a single mom\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014navigating&nbsp;unemployment. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;trying to figure out where money&#8217;s coming from is&nbsp;a daily&nbsp;stress. And so\u2014so I\u2014and\u2014and then also in this season of trying to figure out, who am I going to be now that I do not have this job that&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;going to every day? Like, even trying to figure out what my day-to-day will look like,&nbsp;&#8217;cause, you know, I was waking up at 4:30 a.m. every day.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Then getting the kids to school at whatever time I had to get them to school, being at work for whatever time, coming home,&nbsp;maybe cooking&nbsp;dinner if I felt like it, and then repeating, right? And, like, back in&nbsp;bed, like, 8:30, and, like, repeating. And&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;just what my day&nbsp;looked&nbsp;like every day. And that was just\u2014I was on autopilot every day. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;then when you remove that job, and now\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014you have all the time in the world to do the things that you actually want to do.&nbsp;&#8216;Cause&nbsp;I had decided I wanted to\u2014to be a stylist, I think, two\u2014two-plus years ago.&nbsp;I had first started saying, \u201cI want to be a stylist,\u201d but I hadn&#8217;t actually done it.&nbsp;And my excuse&nbsp;was&nbsp;I was busy with work and that I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;have the time to do it. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;when you lose your job, you now have all the time in the world, or at least&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;the idea. And so\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;what they think happened.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;when I\u2014so\u2014so then it&#8217;s like, okay, well, now you&nbsp;gotta&nbsp;put up or shut up, because you have all the time in the world now to be the stylist that you claimed you wanted to be. And\u2014and so now&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;navigating this season where&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;like, okay, so&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;going to create my business as a stylist. What does that look like? What are you\u2014what does your day-to-day look like? And so\u2014so now the idea of waking up at 4:30 in the morning is wild. I cannot wake up at 4:30 in the morning anymore. And\u2014but\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Nor should you. No way.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>I did enjoy\u2014like,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;not even&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;make it seem like I hated waking up at 4:30 in the morning. I loved it back when I did have the structure of the day, because the world&nbsp;is&nbsp;asleep at 4:30 in the morning. Like, there was just some&nbsp;peaceful&nbsp;and calmness to 4:30 in the morning. But&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;no reason for that now. Like, I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;need that calmness, because I have the calmness all day if I allow it to happen.&nbsp;&#8216;Cause, you know, again, I have two teenagers who are home for the summer. But ideally, they\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014function on their own, and they&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;need me as much as they did when they were five. And so\u2014and\u2014and they can cook their own meals, and they can, you&nbsp;know,&nbsp;they can bathe&nbsp;themselves. You know, questionable. You know,&nbsp;was it?&nbsp;Because I definitely smell something.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Right.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yep. Yep. Tamara, I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;believe, like,&nbsp;how much what&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;saying is resonating with me. Like, I, as a member of the former 4:30 club,&nbsp;you&#8217;re, like, just really\u2014what&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;saying is really landing. Like, I also went through a layoff. And&nbsp;I guess maybe the difference&nbsp;was&nbsp;I was obsessed with my job when I went through my layoff. And it was not only something that, like, I enjoyed doing and, like, found really a lot of fulfillment in, but it also was the first time that the role that I was laid off from was the first time that I, like, had a true sense of, this is, like, what I feel like I&#8217;m meant to be doing. And I was leading&nbsp;a\u2014a&nbsp;large team. And when that, like,&nbsp;sort of disappears&nbsp;overnight, you just\u2014you lose such a sense of who you are. And for me, and it sounds like for you too, there&#8217;s, like, a clothing-style&nbsp;component&nbsp;connected to that. Like, I also\u2014I didn&#8217;t know, because I was no longer dressing to be, like, on screen all day long or to be in front of my team, I no longer knew, like, what I was supposed to be putting on my body in the morning. And that sounds so ridiculous. Like, of course I was still getting dressed even when I wasn&#8217;t, you know, in front of my team before the layoff, but all of a&nbsp;sudden&nbsp;it just sort of felt like, what&#8217;s the point? Who am I doing this for? I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;know who I am right now. And not having that regularity and that structure, like, really threw me off. And it was just an unexpected layer, I guess, to navigating the layoff that I found myself, you know, really&nbsp;sort of stuck&nbsp;in and unsure what to do with for a long time.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;Yeah. I mean,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;sitting here nine\u2014nine or ten months since my layoff. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;just now starting to, like, truly hit me that, like, you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;work for anybody. Like,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;like\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;just\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;just now starting to really set in. And I even see myself going back sometimes to, like, look at what my job\u2014like, what\u2014what&nbsp;they&#8217;re&nbsp;doing now, because it&#8217;s\u2014&#8217;cause&nbsp;still,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;&#8217;cause&nbsp;they laid me off only.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Right? Like, it\u2014it&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;not like a whole entire team was laid off. They only laid me off. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;trying\u2014like, looking back at, like, what are y&#8217;all doing now that you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;have me? Like, do you even care that you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;have me? And so, like, navigating that and, like\u2014but&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;just now starting to hit me that, like, you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;work for that place. And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;also funny because I ran into somebody who knew me when I worked there, and they&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;even know that I was laid off.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>They&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;even know that I was not there anymore. They were like, \u201cWe just thought that you were somewhere else.\u201d And&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;like, wow. Like\u2014like, it\u2014like,&nbsp;in regards to&nbsp;identity, like, that they&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;care that I&nbsp;wasn&#8217;t&nbsp;there anymore. Like,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;like\u2014and navigating that. Like, it&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;very hard&nbsp;to realize that, like, in a sense, you meant nothing to this organization who you dedicated\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014so&nbsp;much time to. And, like, I was\u2014&#8217;cause&nbsp;I was there for, like, three and a half years. And so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;a lot of time to dedicate to a place that&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;truly care&nbsp;about you and was willing to let you go. And, like,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>It&#8217;s&nbsp;a lot of 4:30&nbsp;mornings. A lot of 4:30&nbsp;mornings.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;Yeah. Wow.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>So&nbsp;I think that&nbsp;brings us&nbsp;to sort&nbsp;of what&#8217;s\u2014what&#8217;s&nbsp;next and what\u2014and what&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;excited about&nbsp;sort of in&nbsp;this next chapter. Are there things that you found in this newfound \u201cyou&#8217;re your own boss\u201d and\u2014and sort of the\u2014the&nbsp;captain of your\u2014of your ship, like, that you are loving&nbsp;in regards to&nbsp;your style or even just, like, as a part of your life? Obviously, not waking up at 4:30 is, I would think, would be a huge one, but are there other things that you found surprising and fun and&nbsp;enjo\u2014excuse me\u2014enjoyable that you&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;know was there before? Are there passions and\u2014and things\u2014you&#8217;ve\u2014you&#8217;ve&nbsp;mentioned spending more time with style and creating content and&nbsp;things.&nbsp;Like, what have you found&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;fun and enjoyable to you?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah,&nbsp;definitely the&nbsp;styling stuff.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I\u2014I get to play in my wardrobe a lot. Also, as I am developing my business as a stylist,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;finding opportunities to style more people. So, like, for instance, coming up, I\u2014there&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;called&nbsp;Thick Thrift, and&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;an L.A.-based plus-size market. So, like, they have, like\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Well\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>They have 50-plus vendors every month. They just recently introduced it to the&nbsp;O.C., and then&nbsp;they&#8217;re&nbsp;supposed to be having a New York one coming up soon. So,&nbsp;yeah. And so\u2014but I got approved to be a vendor.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh,&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;awesome.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>And so,&nbsp;yeah. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;my plan is to be a stylist at\u2014at&nbsp;this event and do fit checks for people.&nbsp;So&nbsp;allow them to come to me with a\u2014a piece, and then&nbsp;I&#8217;ll, like, offer them style advice in person. And so\u2014so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;what\u2014so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;one thing that I did. And then kind of, like, how I reached out to Marge for\u2014to just do a coffee&nbsp;chat,&nbsp;I offer those out all the time. Like, \u201cHey, let&#8217;s just talk.\u201d And so that&#8217;s\u2014so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;one of those things that\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>I\u2014I just enjoy talking.&nbsp;There&#8217;s&nbsp;just something fun about just, like, relating to people and just having conversations about whatever. Because it is\u2014it does get very lonely at home when you\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;just me and my kids, and I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;have fun conversations with my kids, you know?&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;already trying to figure out y&#8217;all lingo to try to\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Sure.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Totally.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Throw a couple six-sevens&nbsp;in there and, you know,&nbsp;maybe that&#8217;s&nbsp;passed.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>No. No. It&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;actually not.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;not passed.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;still going on.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Marge,&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;so pass\u00e9.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>No, my five-year-old says six, seven.&nbsp;Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>It&#8217;s&nbsp;still\u2014but that, and&nbsp;then also&nbsp;just, like, even going to\u2014just go to a caf\u00e9 and just, like, or the beach and just, like, exist is\u2014is just&nbsp;really fun. Because I\u2014I come from a\u2014my mom was a single mom also, and she worked at the post office for 20-plus years before she passed. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;the idea is you work a nine-to-five, you move up, and&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;what you do, right? Like, you\u2014you stay in a job for 20-plus&nbsp;years,&nbsp;you retire from that job. That was always the idea. And so now that&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;navigating this&nbsp;season, because&nbsp;I&#8217;m, you know,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;40, I\u2014and\u2014and&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;definitely an&nbsp;idea that I had of where\u2014where I should be at 40.&nbsp;There&#8217;s&nbsp;an idea of how much money I should&nbsp;be making&nbsp;at 40.&nbsp;There&#8217;s&nbsp;just all of this\u2014preconceived idea on what I should be at 40. And now saying, well,&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;not what I want to be. I want to be&nbsp;this, and&nbsp;having&nbsp;fun exploring what that is. And so&nbsp;just even&nbsp;trying to explore moments of doing nothing is\u2014is\u2014is very, like, new, because, like, in a sense, I always had to be busy. And\u2014and\u2014and now&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;not busy, and&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;trying to navigate that\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014feeling of not being busy, but, like, also enjoying not being busy. Like, that&#8217;s\u2014and so\u2014so,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;So those are\u2014those are some things that definitely I&#8217;ve enjoyed, having fun.&nbsp;And then also re\u2014having fun with shopping again.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I thrift a lot, and it&#8217;s just really fun to shop in that way. In all honesty, I&nbsp;haven&#8217;t&nbsp;been to any,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;regular stores. I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;even know what it looks like to shop in person at this point, which is interesting because&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;trying to be a stylist.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>It&#8217;s&nbsp;not great.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;not great, Tamara.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;not great.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-mm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>But\u2014but definitely wanting to, like\u2014I don&#8217;t know.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;just having&nbsp;fun with&nbsp;playing and\u2014and\u2014and, like, seeing what that is. Even how I cook food. Like, I\u2014I love to eat, but I also love to cook. And so having fun cooking things that are exciting to me, which also, I think\u2014I think\u2014which is\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Like, food and clothing style go hand in hand for me. Like,&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;just something about con\u2014consistently trying new things and, like, seeing what you love, what you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;love. And, like, they just go hand in hand. So just doing&nbsp;more and more&nbsp;creative things, because I want to live a creative life, and trying to figure out what that looks like in this season.&nbsp;Yeah, that&#8217;s\u2014I think I&nbsp;answered the question.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, that was\u2014you covered so&nbsp;many things that I\u2014I think are\u2014are fantastic bits of advice for\u2014for everybody. In fact, you said something that my therapist repeats to me often. I was someone who, pre-COVID, worked in an office every day with&nbsp;a majority of&nbsp;my friends and then was busy&nbsp;almost every&nbsp;weekend or night or worked late nights, and so was constantly busy. And then COVID hit, and I lived alone, and&nbsp;busy&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;exist. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I had&nbsp;a very, very hard\u2014I, like, leaned hard into that because of mental health, and I&nbsp;sort of crashed&nbsp;and burned in it because I realized I was just so burnt out from everything. But then getting back out into the world was very, very, very difficult for me because I had developed\u2014I had worked really hard during that time to understand who I\u2014who I was, like, without the working in the office and the New York City and all of the everything going on, that it was like, okay, this is who I am. What do I like to do? What do I want to do? Who do I want to hang out with? What do I like?&nbsp;What&#8217;s\u2014what&#8217;s&nbsp;enjoyable? And her biggest advice was, like, just&nbsp;go&nbsp;somewhere. Anywhere. You&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;have to talk to anybody. You&nbsp;literally can&nbsp;leave. You can get to the&nbsp;door&nbsp;and you can&nbsp;leave. And at least you went somewhere. You can take three steps outside of your house and turn around and come back, but at least you took those three steps. And I think for a long time, and as I&nbsp;sort of reflect&nbsp;even further back onto my life, I was&nbsp;almost always&nbsp;someone that was doing something with a friend, and&nbsp;the something&nbsp;was what that friend wanted to do.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>And I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;really learn to figure out what\u2014and then I&nbsp;sort of got&nbsp;busy with work, and then&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;doing the work thing that work wants you to do. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;really figure&nbsp;out, like,&nbsp;what I liked to do.&nbsp;Like, I knew there were parts and pieces, but she was like, just go sign up for a class or sign up for a music thing or go see a show or go to a concert or take yourself out for dinner or go to the library.&nbsp;Like, start a hit list of things that you wanted to do that you thought that you either needed a partner or a friend, or that you would say yes to if a friend asked you, and just&nbsp;do&nbsp;it yourself. Or go to a coffee shop. Honestly,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;getting a dog was a huge part of that as well.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;like having a dog that I can bring places with me helps take a ton of the mental pressure&nbsp;off of&nbsp;me. And then&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;just worried about, like, well, is she having fun?&nbsp;She&#8217;ll&nbsp;have fun anywhere.&nbsp;She&#8217;s&nbsp;fun wherever we take her. But,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;getting out of the house and just, like, being around other people, then the moment somebody says something,&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;like, wait a minute.&nbsp;You&#8217;re&nbsp;cool. Okay. And you never know how you\u2014how that one interaction can play out in a million&nbsp;different ways. And you never know who&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;meet, what conversations&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;start, what things you end up\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014finding in common, what you learn from someone else that you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;have in common. And it has introduced me to a huge world of wonderful people and wonderful new things that I never really made the time for before, which has also impacted my style and who I am as a person in my life in wonderful ways. And I think it&#8217;s, like, all of the\u2014the jobs in my career have all been attributed to moments in my life where I really just got chatty and yappy with someone at the right place at the right time, never from actually interviewing or having a successful interview. I think I&nbsp;do&nbsp;okay, but&nbsp;have never gotten a job directly from an interview in that way.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;just, like, I get in my head and whatever. And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;all been, \u201cHey, I met you at this thing. Wondered if you wanted to grab coffee.\u201d Like, we chatted it up, you get to know somebody.&nbsp;So&nbsp;you never know who&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;meet, when&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;meet them. And hearing you give feed\u2014like, saying, \u201cI reached out to people to have coffees,\u201d or, \u201cI&#8217;m going to places, I&#8217;m going to the beach, and I&#8217;m finding fun here, and I&#8217;m going here,\u201d like, that is exactly\u2014like, you&#8217;re making the most creativity and\u2014and joy out of your life for you. And people gravitate towards people like that. And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;about you. And&nbsp;they&#8217;re&nbsp;like, okay, I get it. And it&#8217;s\u2014it&#8217;s, like, just awesome to hear other people like that. And\u2014and I think having you speak so clearly about this chapter in your life is\u2014is something that is&nbsp;kind of terrifying&nbsp;for everybody. And we know a lot of people that have\u2014have gone through layoffs, and it&#8217;s often sort of met in such a\u2014such an awful\u2014and I don&#8217;t want to negate that at all\u2014but knowing you&#8217;re not alone in it, and that there&#8217;s\u2014there&#8217;s other folks that have\u2014have gone through that experience as well. And\u2014and&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;paving your own path. And that&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;not the right path for everybody. And the path you had as a kid can be different than the path you choose now. And\u2014and just listening to yourself is\u2014is&nbsp;really powerful to hear. So mad kudos to you, to listening to yourself and following that, because I think a lot of people would talk themselves out and find something else and take a different route. And it&#8217;s, like,&nbsp;very\u2014brave&nbsp;and courageous to be like, \u201cNo, I got this. I trust myself,\u201d or at least, \u201cI trust a little bit of myself that I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;try today, and I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;just sort of\u2014to\u2014to throw fits instead of tantrums and\u2014and try to go forward.\u201d&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;really, really\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;very inspiring, and&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;awesome. And we need more of that in the world than trying to conform to what people think we&nbsp;should have to&nbsp;have figured out.&nbsp;&#8216;Cause&nbsp;at the end of the day, none of\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014at least what&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;learned personally in the last&nbsp;year,&nbsp;none of that really matters. Nobody really&nbsp;cares&nbsp;what you do for a living at the very end of the day, in the darkest, deepest moments of your life. Nobody really cares that you had a nine-to-five and that, like\u2014it&#8217;s&nbsp;just, like,&nbsp;yeah, we all&nbsp;gotta&nbsp;work. We all&nbsp;gotta&nbsp;pay our bills. But what\u2014like, who are you as a person is so, so, so important. So mad kudos. And if&nbsp;you&#8217;re\u2014I\u2014I can just imagine the&nbsp;wave. I think about this with Liz and Maloree, like, the kids growing up in that aura, to use another young-kid term, is very exciting, to know that, like, the next wave of kids are\u2014are seeing that example truly lived, not the pressure that maybe some of us felt to live the life that we thought we had to have.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, definitely. Definitely.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>So I would love to give you a space to talk about styling other people, if you want to, like, hype your\u2014hype your\u2014hype, or\u2014or hype what\u2014what you like about styling other people. Or maybe if folks&nbsp;wanna&nbsp;find you and get to know, like, more about you, or take you up for some&nbsp;style&nbsp;advice, if\u2014if&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;interested in that. Like, feel free to&nbsp;hype&nbsp;yourself in.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yes. Yeah, I\u2014you can find me on anything\u2014well, not anything\u2014on TikTok or Instagram&nbsp;@iamtamaramitchell. And then&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;working on my website, but&nbsp;iamtamaramitchell.com. I did pay for an actual domain because&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;cool like that.&nbsp;So&nbsp;you can definitely find me. I have branded myself across all platforms that way.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Hell&nbsp;yeah. Love that.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Because I am also a marketing person, so it makes sense. But you can find me on all of that.&nbsp;I&#8217;ll&nbsp;be at&nbsp;Thick Thrift. That will be August 15th in L.A. And so&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;the one place to\u2014to find me. Also, I\u2014yeah,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;posting content all the time.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;trying to get very consistent on it, but I am very human&nbsp;about it because\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Hell&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yep,&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;real.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Content creation is not for the faint at heart.&nbsp;Yeah,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;just\u2014it&#8217;s\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>What do you mean? You&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;just set up your phone and make a video? What?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>I understand that there are people who can do that, but I am not one of them. It&#8217;s\u2014I am trying my hardest to learn how to be&nbsp;more me&nbsp;on camera and not be so robotic and scripted. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;navigating that is really challenging, but also fun in a way, because one&nbsp;thing&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;learning is that\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Nope.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>\u2014your truest, authentic self is what people come back for.&nbsp;So&nbsp;you can run yourself through AI if you want to and have AI design everything for you, but what people return for is you as your authentic self. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;trying to navigate that. But\u2014but,&nbsp;yeah, I\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>That&#8217;s a quote.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;a quote, Maloree.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;a quote.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;a quote. Yes. Yes.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>I love it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>What I guess I would love to\u2014to end this on: As we know, there are&nbsp;many in&nbsp;a very similar&nbsp;position as you. What advice would you give someone who was like you nine, ten months ago that&nbsp;maybe you\u2014you wished folks gave you then? Or what was something that, like, you wanted\u2014you wish someone had said right off the bat? Or&nbsp;maybe some&nbsp;advice you would give them now,&nbsp;sort of throughout&nbsp;the journey, on\u2014on&nbsp;sort of taking&nbsp;the next steps forward.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. The\u2014the funny part is, is I knew I was getting\u2014I had\u2014I had a runway before I was&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;get laid off. Like, I\u2014I knew I was getting laid off, even though I did not know when, and they kind of, like, sprung it on me. But one thing\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Funny how that happens.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. But one thing that I wish I&nbsp;would&nbsp;have done is to spend more time on the side hustle. Like, more time doing the&nbsp;thing&nbsp;that I actually enjoyed.&nbsp;So&nbsp;when the thing went under, I at least had the foundation of the thing that I actually wanted to do.&nbsp;And so that&#8217;s definitely, like, leaning into what I genuinely like to do.&nbsp;&#8216;Cause, like, I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;care for the&nbsp;job that let\u2014that let me go. I&nbsp;didn&#8217;t&nbsp;care&nbsp;for&nbsp;it. And&nbsp;so&nbsp;what did I care for? And leaning more into&nbsp;that, or&nbsp;even&nbsp;utilizing&nbsp;the job that I had to advance the skills that I did want to learn, would have also been&nbsp;very helpful.&nbsp;And then the money part, definitely getting that little nest egg so that you don&#8217;t have to struggle.&nbsp;That\u2014those are\u2014those are&nbsp;probably the&nbsp;main things that I wish I&nbsp;would&nbsp;have done.&nbsp;And definitely\u2014yeah, those are the main things.&nbsp;But also\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Like, not taking it personally.&nbsp;Because, like, yeah, I definitely feel some type of way about being let go, but what&#8217;s meant for me is for me.&nbsp;And that job was not meant&nbsp;for&nbsp;me. And I&nbsp;wouldn&#8217;t&nbsp;have let it go any other way. If\u2014if they did not let me go, I would have&nbsp;probably still&nbsp;be\u2014I would&nbsp;probably still&nbsp;be there today, even though I was&nbsp;quiet&nbsp;quitting a year before. So, but\u2014but\u2014but,&nbsp;yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>And that&#8217;s\u2014that&#8217;s&nbsp;really\u2014that&#8217;s, like, so common. Like, ever\u2014&#8217;cause&nbsp;I\u2014we&#8217;re sort of told not to leave, that we have to&nbsp;stay&nbsp;places forever, and that we, you know, it pays the bills, so you&nbsp;gotta&nbsp;stick around.&nbsp;And,&nbsp;yeah. That&#8217;s\u2014you&#8217;re\u2014you&#8217;re&nbsp;starting a new\u2014a new chapter in\u2014in ways that are all your own.&nbsp;I guess the last few things&nbsp;are around\u2014I&nbsp;wanna&nbsp;end on&nbsp;some fashion\u2014maybe some&nbsp;fashion rapid-fire&nbsp;questions, if&nbsp;you&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;mind. Unless, like, Liz, Mal, is there anything that&nbsp;I&#8217;m\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;listening\u2014I&#8217;m\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;missing on your end? Any questions? This has&nbsp;sort of taken&nbsp;a wonderful, very natural turn without me having to do a whole lot of questioning, but\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Definitely.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, I love it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>This is great.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>I think&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;good.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah,&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;been&nbsp;very interesting.&nbsp;I personally&nbsp;have never been through a layoff.&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;survived the layoffs, which&nbsp;has&nbsp;always been, like, the other side of&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;hard too, because&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;like,&nbsp;all my friends are gone. But, like, I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;even imagine. And&nbsp;I think it&nbsp;is, like, Marge said&nbsp;earlier,&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;doing the thing. And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;so cool.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;so\u2014to me, I love seeing people who&nbsp;kind of maybe&nbsp;needed the push out and took it and ran with it, instead of just letting it, like, tear you down. And that, to me, is so inspirational and so admirable. And I\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;amazed,&nbsp;honestly.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Thank you.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. I\u2014I feel like these are stories that we don&#8217;t hear very often, but we should, because I think they&#8217;re far more common than people, like, \u201cI left a job I loved, and I started another job that I loved.\u201d And&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;like, what the&nbsp;fr\u2014what\u2014what delusion do you live in? What delusion?&nbsp;<br><strong>Maloree&nbsp;<\/strong>Mm-hmm.&nbsp;Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, right.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>I just\u2014I know we&#8217;ve talked about this on other episodes, so I&#8217;m sorry if I&#8217;m repeating myself, but I also just think that, like, every time you start something new or you, like\u2014if you&#8217;re\u2014if I&#8217;m\u2014if I&#8217;m putting myself in a positive mind space, which, honestly, this conversation has really helped me to do, so thank you, Tamara. Like, every time you go through a transition of some kind, you do have the opportunity to, in some ways, like, not just reinvent yourself, but sort of redefine or reconfirm, like, who you are and how you want to present yourself to the world. And I think that that&#8217;s, like, an important moment to pause in too, and not just, like, let sort of creep by as&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;navigating all the other craziness that&nbsp;goes on&nbsp;through major life transitions. But, like, to see it as a moment where&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;like, you do have this chance to pause, and you do have this chance to say, like, were my\u2014were the right priorities in place? Not just the big priorities, but, like, how I put myself out there in the world too. And I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;know. I think that that can be something&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;very empowering that&nbsp;maybe can&nbsp;be missed, and that, Tamara,&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;reminding me is something that, like, should be celebrated.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;Definitely don&#8217;t want to show up to things just because someone said to show up to them.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Not in\u2014not in 2026. Not in the world that we live in. Nope.&nbsp;We&#8217;re&nbsp;showing up because we want to,&nbsp;&#8217;cause&nbsp;we mean to, with intention.&nbsp;Absolutely.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. No is a\u2014no is a whole sentence.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Absolutely.&nbsp;Absolutely.&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;been teaching my\u2014my lovely boomer, 80-year-old mother so&nbsp;many of the\u2014the bits of wisdom that&nbsp;I&#8217;ve&nbsp;learned through years of therapy. And \u201cno is a full sentence\u201d is something that I taught her in the past couple of weeks, and&nbsp;we&#8217;ve&nbsp;used it quite a few times.&nbsp;It&#8217;s&nbsp;been&nbsp;very helpful.&nbsp;Very helpful.&nbsp;Very helpful.&nbsp;There&#8217;s&nbsp;so much she taught me, so&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;nice to be able to sort of pay\u2014like, pay\u2014pay it back a little bit.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Yes.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Okay,&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;get into the rapid-fire questions. Most of these are about work and style and how\u2014sort of quick\u2014quick answers, but what is your current confidence piece?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh, so I have this beautiful print dress. It&#8217;s,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;a high-low. It&#8217;s, like, very flowy. I believe&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;Hutch is the brand. And every single time I wear it, I get 10,000 compliments. My\u2014that&#8217;s, like, my highest-performing content piece. I love this dress so much. I will never get rid of this dress. Love, love, love it so much.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Amazing. Is there an item that you refuse to wear?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>An item I refuse to wear. I\u2014mm, I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;think of anything that I refuse to wear. A muumuu. A muumuu. That was a conversation I recently had with\u2014with family. They wanted to\u2014we were&nbsp;gonna&nbsp;have a\u2014a trip, and they wanted us to wear muumuus and play games. And I was like, \u201cI&#8217;m&nbsp;not wearing a muumuu. You cannot pay me enough to wear a muumuu.&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;sorry.\u201d&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Okay. Okay.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>This is where we differ. We found it.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Twenty-four seven.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Nope. A&nbsp;caftan, maybe. A muumuu is a hard pass.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Oh, my God. I love that. I love that. Okay, heels, flats, or sneakers?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>That&#8217;s a hard one. Work-wise, I wore heels because I am five-two, and I wanted to always appear taller. So\u2014but because&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;not going to somebody&#8217;s nine-to-five,&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;no reason for me to wear heels.&nbsp;So&nbsp;I am wearing sneakers nine times out of ten.&nbsp;Yeah.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yep. Outfit that gets you out of the house no matter what.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh, a cute dress. I\u2014a&nbsp;cute&nbsp;flowy dress, or\u2014or\u2014or a nice, like, wide-leg pant. Like, I\u2014I love, love, love a wide-leg pant.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh,&nbsp;big&nbsp;fan.&nbsp;Big fan.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>And just the way the\u2014actually, in all seriousness, any outfit I put on, if I put effort into it, I want to be outside. So\u2014so I&nbsp;don&#8217;t&nbsp;want to waste clothes.&nbsp;Like, this&nbsp;has to be seen. So\u2014&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. I love that.&nbsp;Absolutely. One style rule&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;leaving behind.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Crop everything.&nbsp;So&nbsp;you&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;tell me that I&nbsp;can&#8217;t&nbsp;show off my belly. I\u2014I wish someone would tell me to hide my belly.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;one rule I refuse. I have four crop tops just so that I can crop everything, and I am\u2014I&#8217;m&nbsp;quick to cut something up if I need to.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Period.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Fantastic. Is there one piece within your wardrobe that feels like the\u2014feels most like the&nbsp;person&nbsp;you&#8217;re&nbsp;becoming?&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh, I would say that&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;becoming\u2014I&nbsp;think&nbsp;my blazers. I\u2014I only have\u2014like, I have one that I love, love, love&nbsp;now. And,&nbsp;like,&nbsp;that&#8217;s&nbsp;the boss. Like, when&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;ready to, like, completely feed into \u201cI&#8217;m a boss,\u201d that blazer is the blazer that I will wear for when I truly feel like the boss. I might wear it when I go to&nbsp;Thick Thrift.&nbsp;We&#8217;ll&nbsp;see.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>I love it. Okay. The last one is: Right now, getting dressed helps me\u2014fill in the blank.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Ooh, believe\u2014makes\u2014gives me hope, because&nbsp;it&#8217;s&nbsp;the one thing I can control in my day. Even when everything is out of control and everything is tough, I can always return to my closet, and&nbsp;there&#8217;s&nbsp;always something that I can control in that one aspect of life.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>I need\u2014yep. You just unlocked\u2014flipped a switch, light on in my brain. Yep.&nbsp;That&#8217;s&nbsp;awesome.&nbsp;You&#8217;re&nbsp;so cool.&nbsp;You&#8217;re&nbsp;so cool. This has been awesome, Tamara.&nbsp;Thank you so much for your time, for your energy, for reaching out in the first place.&nbsp;That&#8217;s, like, such a badass move. I really ignore&nbsp;basically every&nbsp;marketing email, message, anything, always.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>That&#8217;s great.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>Glad&nbsp;you answered mine.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Ten out of ten. Like,&nbsp;yeah, this was awesome. This was super, super awesome. Folks, feel free to\u2014to go\u2014like, go follow Tamara right now.&nbsp;On&nbsp;TikTok or Instagram&nbsp;@iamtamaramitchell. And then&nbsp;I&#8217;m&nbsp;working on my website, but iamtamaramitchell.com.&nbsp;Follow&nbsp;Throwing Fits, Not Throwing Tantrums. And we will\u2014we will see everyone on another episode of Styled, Off Script.&nbsp;<br><strong>Liz&nbsp;<\/strong>Obsessed. Obsessed.&nbsp;<br><strong>Marge&nbsp;<\/strong>Thanks for joining. Love you. Bye.&nbsp;<br><strong>Tamara&nbsp;<\/strong>And bye.<\/summary>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/details>\n<\/details>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-dots\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Looking for more <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/19xw53gHwlemLx0GKOVJn9\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Styled, Off Script<\/em><\/a><\/strong>? 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